# two way ANOVA?

#### Lazzftw

##### New Member
Dear all,

I'm new to statistical analyses and currently using SPSS, and my question is: is the two-way ANOVA the right approach for my case? Because while analysing the data it was noticed that will only have one position, meaning that group would be repeated many 3 times more than single. could that be a problem?

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#### fed2

##### Active Member
i think ur right, you would have to run as a one-way layout, ie 4 treatments single and group (f,c,b). congratulations on outsmarting your supervisor. youll want to put this in terms of making it their idea though....

does their position change during the ride? (afraid to ask...)

#### Lazzftw

##### New Member

does their position change during the ride? (afraid to ask...)
The order doesn't change during the ride. A participant does a ride alone (single), then a ride with a group while riding in front, then another ride while cycling in the middle, and lastly another group ride while cycling in the back. So basically each participant participates in 4 rides.

i think ur right, you would have to run as a one-way layout, ie 4 treatments single and group (f,c,b).
I'll try the one-way layout, with single, front, middle, and back. did i get that right?

congratulations on outsmarting your supervisor. youll want to put this in terms of making it their idea though....
I didn't have the chance to ask or get more information from my supervisor, since he went on holiday. and I'm honestly running out of time and can't afford to wait for him to get back for more instructions..

#### fed2

##### Active Member
Yes it is a one-way ANOVA as you describe with one-way layout, with single, front, middle, and back. But, very important, it is going to be a one way repeated measures design because of the same rider alone and in group.
The order doesn't change during the ride. A participant does a ride alone (single), then a ride with a group
This is extremely important to doing the analysis correctly. Sorry I did not notice before.

Also, hate to 'go there' given the time issues you have, but probably need to think about controlling for the 'ride id', ie the common effect of bein gon the same ride.

Well your experiment is sort of complicated really...

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#### Karabiner

##### TS Contributor
Tailoring tests to "interstingly-looking" patterns in the data, after eyballing data ,
produces dubious results. So what's all the discussion for? The p-values are distorted.

Moreover, the experimental design (each subject has exactely the same sequence)
confuses sequence effects with experimental condition. This harms the single/group
comparison and also the "position" comparisons.

#### fed2

##### Active Member
Tailoring tests to "interstingly-looking" patterns in the data, after eyballing data ,
produces dubious results. So what's all the discussion for? The p-values are distort
this level of sanctimony regarding typeI errors probably isn't appropriate here. You were probably data-snooping as you wrote this...

Moreover, the experimental design (each subject has exactely the same sequence)
confuses sequence effects with experimental condition. This harms the single/group
comparison and also the "position" comparisons.
if they are all in same sequence, so be it. thats just a limitation of the research i guess. its not like you can go back and rerandomize.

#### Karabiner

##### TS Contributor
I am afraid that I do not quite understand what you want to tell me.
To scan data and "test" some pattern found in the data is undistiguishable
from fraud. Regarding the second statement, I suppose we both agree
that the whole study is scientifically worthless, regarding sample size and
poor experimental design , but they have to pretend to do a study in order
to gain a bachelor degree or something like that. Nevertheless, it is
neccessary to point at the weaknesses, since maybe someone might
find this thread using a search engine.